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...превосходный повод промолчать. Ан, нет, писательское сердце не знает покоя.

Что характерно, акционеру сочувствует самый широкий спектр блоггеров. И только испытывающие какие-то сложные (очень сложные!) чувства к гэбистам -- нет, не сочувствуют.

Date: 2015-11-10 12:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spamsink
Я никому не сочувствую. Вандализма не люблю.

Date: 2015-11-10 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninazino.livejournal.com
Ну какой тут вандализм? Никто и ничто не пострадал и не пострадало. Но издеваться над человеком, который осуществляет такие самозабвенно отчаянные акции -- нет, некошерно.

Но вот что характерно: Вы же промолчали. Вот я и говорю: это был превосходный повод промолчать.

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v poleznye idioty.

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Date: 2015-11-10 02:48 am (UTC)
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И на амвоне плясать нельзя?

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Я вам желаю попастьтуда, где нет вандализма. Со всеми вытекающими.

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Date: 2015-11-10 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olgana.livejournal.com
Я не знаю кто и что сделал, но вот Татьяне Толстой очень часто лучше промолчать. А из нее так и нест. Лучше бы книжки писала.

Date: 2015-11-10 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] impudent-squaw.livejournal.com
Жутко противно, такая сытая сальная морда вещает. И ведь ради срача и вброса, более ничего.

Date: 2015-11-10 01:29 am (UTC)
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eh, dear, disagree. she is being ironic - and i don't like her, i don't like her post, but it is kinda to the point.

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i have nothing good to say about TNT's "status" or post, but i have absolutely no warmth for the idiot guy and his performances.

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From: [identity profile] starshoj.livejournal.com
Ну, ещё когда писала про США, стало понятно, что дура.

Date: 2015-11-10 01:51 am (UTC)
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Мужик-перформант уж слишком противный и его выкрутасы идиотские. И ещё. Если бы это было КГБ старой закваски, если бы мужик знал, что его реально за это посадят надолго, расстреляют иди даже, как Новодворскую, просто залечат в психушке, он бы тоже поджигал? Или все же подумал пару раз? Не много ума и смелости в том, чтобы сделать шум и получить за это максимум 15 суток, зато пиар до небес.

Date: 2015-11-10 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninazino.livejournal.com
Но еще меньше ума и смелости в том, чтобы облить его грязью. Вот казалось бы -- промолчи.

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there were people who did tht. htere was a dissident i forget his name - who had sown his mouth shut. it was crazy and stupid but - he .. was different. i haev more respect for his senseless self-mutilation...

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Date: 2015-11-10 02:29 am (UTC)
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Вот, он именно омерзителен сам по себе и своими выходками. Но на этот раз он 15 сутками не отделается. И грань перешёл, и время поменялось.

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Date: 2015-11-10 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
Я кстати как раз насчет "кгб старой закваски" куда меньше уверен - нынешний режим в целом сильно брутальнее советского - и "либеральнее" тоже - но когда он не играет в "швабоду" - мочит куда серьезнее.

Старое кегебе вполне бы вероятно спустило дело на тормозах

PS: Впрочем и отпиариться на нем не дало бы - просто "никто не узнал бы"
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Date: 2015-11-10 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polenova.livejournal.com
Высока вероятность, что или посадят или залечат. Пусей за меньшее посадии, молодых девченок с маленькими детьми. Он явно нарывается на мученический венец, а у власти не залежиться, они эти венцы раздают с удовольствием.

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Date: 2015-11-11 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taki-net.livejournal.com
+++ тобы сделать шум и получить за это максимум 15 суток,

Вы готовы что-то сделать, например написать "мне стыдно", когда ему дадут "двушечку"?

Кстати, Вы про Пусси Райот не то же самое писали? Я просто спрашиваю, я не знаю ответа.

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Date: 2015-11-10 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivan-1-dyrak.livejournal.com
Ведь омерзителен сам по себе Павленский, и выходки его омерзительны.

Date: 2015-11-10 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juan-gandhi.livejournal.com
Спасибо.

Date: 2015-11-10 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juan-gandhi.livejournal.com
Спасибо за пост, за линк.

Трогательно, сколько всякой швали поналезло. По мне так на любителя.

Ну это дело хозяйское, конечно.

Date: 2015-11-10 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninazino.livejournal.com
Я не баню за разногласия. Но -- кровоточу иногда:( или как это по-русски: I bleed?

Date: 2015-11-10 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lm644.livejournal.com
За ссылку не спасибо - лучше о таком и не знать бы... а за позицию - да, спасибо.

Date: 2015-11-10 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
Хер на литейном мосту хотя бы весело - а это - говно унылое - как и почти весь "акционизм". В принципе когда Толоконникову и ко посадили - правильно сделали.

И тут если посадят - правильно будет. За пошлость.

Date: 2015-11-10 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] old-greeb.livejournal.com
Нина, можно я чуть не по теме?
Когда в детстве читаешь сказки, злую мачеху ненавидишь сильно-сильно. И с удовольствием узнаешь в конце, что ее привязали к диким лошадям и пустили в дикое поле - так ей и надо, мерзавке.
Только через много лет чувства по этому поводу меняются.
Мало у кого из тех, кого я знаю, есть хоть капля доброго чувства к этой конторе, и первое душевное движение - ах, молодец Павленский!
Но я бы не хотел, чтобы мои потомки жили в стране, где на месте бывшего Феликса будет стоять статуя героического огнеметателя Павленского.

Мне кажется, что у всех ваших собеседников есть либо одно из этих чувств, либо другое. Но не оба вместе, XOR.

Date: 2015-11-10 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polenova.livejournal.com
В акции никто не пострадал, так что называть его бомбометателем по меньшей мере несправедливо. А попорченная дверь Лубянки у меня совершенно не вызывает сочувствия. Она что - человек? Ей больно? Или у Лубянки из-за кризиса нечем теперь от ветра прикрыться? Ничего, пусть на сквозняке посидят. Не простудятся, там вторая дверь есть.

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Date: 2015-11-10 09:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bazar-wokzal.livejournal.com
Ну я вот молчал, но теперь скажу.
По ссылке не читал, но тут все русскоязычные комменты прочел и мнение составил.
Во-первых ето красиво.
И канешн в худшколах по истории искусства проходить будут. И разумеется не во всех.
Я бы ето преподавал именно как пограничный спорный случай, в котором решает мера и ее субъективное чувство.
Кому оно противно "как и Новодворская" или "как и Пусси" - чертовски предсказуемо.
Мое личное отношение - я к Павленскому до сих пор свысока относился, не осуждал, а именно снобствовал. А тут на мой вкус новый уровень. Не превзошел хуй на мосту и молебен Богородице, но в один ряд точно встал.
Аналогия с гестапо непрямая - какое гестапо такой и поджог Рейхстага.
"В нормальном государстве" дали бы за хулиганство, и правильно дали бы - но в нормальном в таком и нужды бы не было. А в нашем нужда есть, и спасибо тем кто.
Ну и так далее, обсуждение многоплановое, но по важному отметился вроде

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