Ninchik, I will never kick you, as you know... but that post was just.. strange. i see . what you were trying to say. but. but. but... it was just.. people cringed. me too. in russian it is called "pokorobilo".. it is nothing that would make me upset enough to exit with a gesture, but other people may be more sensitive....
Ninik - certain thoughts, even if they occured to you, are better left unexpressed in public. yes, don't laugh, it's me Molly saying that. when i offend someone online - i fully intend to offend. but to suggest that someone suffered an injurious personal tragedy while incarcerated - even to propose that they had - is totally off limits. i cannot explain why... maybe i feel this way because of my profession, but the people you lost are not doctors. i would not worry about Dima for various reasons, but i think you should trust Inka's compass... it is ammong the best i know here........
О да! Их нельзя трогать, и ты даже не можешь explain why. А они -- могут, могут убить, могут одобрить убийство. Вот в этом-то и разница. И я, после убийства Немцова, больше не буду церемониться. Чего ради?
it was not Ivan-durak from Live Journal who killed Boris Nemtsov........ it was either Putin himself or someone near him or someone who is.. going to be the next one after him.
i understand and respect your grief - you do shed real tears for that poor country, and you did put a lot of faith in N. as the brightest and most hopeful leader of some future opposition. I understand and respect your pain.
but find yourself a worthy target, first - not Ivan, there are much uglier characters smelling up your blog quite regularly - and second, the analogy is truly wrong.
Их нельзя трогать - who are THEY? you can go protest in front of the russian embassy or consulate rather - in boston. just don't self-immolate there, please. and don't burn the tricolor either, this is third-world behavior resembling.. you know whom. "v micheti". turn your hatred towards some other target and literally boil some water on it, do some good towards your cause - just don't give away any money :-) other than for dog shelters in Lviv, you are no Gates. :-)
please please listten to reason. no, i cannot explain why certain things are verboten. i can try an example. or two. or three. explaining behavior you do not like by a personal tragedy is not good. even if it happens by carelessness and ignorance ( it had with me once, and i regret it).
1. suppose you were raped as a little girl. or suppose you were not, but someone thinks you were. suppose that someone tells the world that Nina is a nutcase and a mental patient - because she was raped, and that defined her mentation forever and ever. is that a good thing to say about someone? is it productive? whether it is true or not?
2. suppose someone robbed a bank, stole a car, was jailed, paid his debt, so to speak, to society. then he got out. then you say - once a jailbird, you are a perp forever, so you have a criminal mind and all you say is based on that. fair? most likely, not.
3. suppose someone tried to commit suicide, hung herself but she was saved in time. then you tell her that her behavior and opinions and views are entirely defined by her suffocation experience. fair? no.
4. suppose someone grew up in the USSR or in an Iowa village, and went on to do well. suppose some envious soul explains their actions by their upbringing. fair? maybe, maybe not.
i mean we are all products of our experiences, traumas, friendships, hatreds and loves ( sorry i am tired and waxing romantic). but it's best to not judge us based on those remote personal histories, but on our present beliefs alone.
UFFF. sorry.
i really feel bad that you lost friends over this glitch of judgment.
thank you. but remember we met outside of the virtual circle of hell, we have nonvirtual friends in common, i know your doggies in person, your mom embroidered me a lovely picture and so forth. we are not exactly virtual. so our standards for each other are skewed towards understanding in all situations.
i mean.. even that is malleable ( i remember one particular case and laugh ;-) ) but less so than purely on-line alliances.
however i can understand - there is a difference between an on-line "friend" and an on-line friend.
Inka is a brilliant and beautiful and pure person. she is just tired of the anger and hatred here, that's all.
DIma on the other hand is a cool dude. I would shrug him off and not worry at all. he was never a friend to you, only a reader and a participant in those tasty supersra4i that we both are so good at.
i wifh you got rid of the olgino contingent and of those who offend you on a regular basis - but you said yourself that they entertain you, too.
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Date: 2015-03-03 09:34 pm (UTC)it was just.. people cringed. me too. in russian it is called "pokorobilo".. it is nothing that would make me upset enough to exit with a gesture, but other people may be more sensitive....
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Date: 2015-03-04 12:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-03-04 12:33 am (UTC)plus there is a bit of a Kuzdra in him - he leads a boring life, and your blog provides entertainment.
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Date: 2015-03-04 12:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-03-04 12:32 am (UTC)but to suggest that someone suffered an injurious personal tragedy while incarcerated - even to propose that they had - is totally off limits. i cannot explain why... maybe i feel this way because of my profession, but the people you lost are not doctors. i would not worry about Dima for various reasons, but i think you should trust Inka's compass... it is ammong the best i know here........
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Date: 2015-03-04 12:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-03-04 01:08 am (UTC)i understand and respect your grief - you do shed real tears for that poor country, and you did put a lot of faith in N. as the brightest and most hopeful leader of some future opposition. I understand and respect your pain.
but find yourself a worthy target, first - not Ivan, there are much uglier characters smelling up your blog quite regularly - and second, the analogy is truly wrong.
Их нельзя трогать - who are THEY? you can go protest in front of the russian embassy or consulate rather - in boston. just don't self-immolate there, please. and don't burn the tricolor either, this is third-world behavior resembling.. you know whom. "v micheti". turn your hatred towards some other target and literally boil some water on it, do some good towards your cause - just don't give away any money :-) other than for dog shelters in Lviv, you are no Gates. :-)
please please listten to reason. no, i cannot explain why certain things are verboten. i can try an example. or two. or three. explaining behavior you do not like by a personal tragedy is not good. even if it happens by carelessness and ignorance ( it had with me once, and i regret it).
1. suppose you were raped as a little girl. or suppose you were not, but someone thinks you were. suppose that someone tells the world that Nina is a nutcase and a mental patient - because she was raped, and that defined her mentation forever and ever. is that a good thing to say about someone? is it productive? whether it is true or not?
2. suppose someone robbed a bank, stole a car, was jailed, paid his debt, so to speak, to society. then he got out. then you say - once a jailbird, you are a perp forever, so you have a criminal mind and all you say is based on that. fair? most likely, not.
3. suppose someone tried to commit suicide, hung herself but she was saved in time. then you tell her that her behavior and opinions and views are entirely defined by her suffocation experience. fair? no.
4. suppose someone grew up in the USSR or in an Iowa village, and went on to do well. suppose some envious soul explains their actions by their upbringing. fair? maybe, maybe not.
i mean we are all products of our experiences, traumas, friendships, hatreds and loves ( sorry i am tired and waxing romantic). but it's best to not judge us based on those remote personal histories, but on our present beliefs alone.
UFFF. sorry.
i really feel bad that you lost friends over this glitch of judgment.
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Date: 2015-03-04 01:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-03-04 01:25 am (UTC)i mean.. even that is malleable ( i remember one particular case and laugh ;-) )
but less so than purely on-line alliances.
however i can understand - there is a difference between an on-line "friend" and an on-line friend.
Inka is a brilliant and beautiful and pure person. she is just tired of the anger and hatred here, that's all.
DIma on the other hand is a cool dude. I would shrug him off and not worry at all. he was never a friend to you, only a reader and a participant in those tasty supersra4i that we both are so good at.
i wifh you got rid of the olgino contingent and of those who offend you on a regular basis - but you said yourself that they entertain you, too.
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